Mind you, it had been happening many other times in the United States if you look at it, because what about the War of Independence? Isn’t it sort of a similar concept? But unfortunately, you know, we’ve taken this event and turned it into something a bit larger than perhaps it is but in the process we learned that, okay, evil exists. Somebody who conceived of that particular event obviously had a lot of evil within them, whoever it was that conceived the event.
And for that reason we then decide that we’re going to do something with it. Now what was America’s choice? To fight! So that was America’s choice. And what is the choice of somewhere like Iraq? What did they choose with that evil? Didn’t they choose to placate it? Can you see that? Didn’t they choose to support the people who were involved in that, placate it, pander to the people who supported it? What about other counties in the Middle East? They felt the same, didn’t they? At the time, and not only other counties in the Middle East there were other things. What did other countries recommend? So the United Nations before the war actually occurred in Iraq, what did the United Nations recommend? Can you remember? They really recommended this, didn’t they? (AJ points to placate on the whiteboard) Placating it, yes! So what I’m trying to illustrate is that every response that mankind generally has to evil, every response that mankind has to evil, is mostly about either doing these things and has any of it eradicated evil?
No.So that tells me that placating evil does not work. It tells me, that going into a frozen state doesn’t work. It tells me that fleeing it doesn’t work because it just follows you and it tells me that fighting it doesn’t work either because all that happens is the evil grows when you fight it. So what works? Can you see why we believe nothing works and therefore evil is the most powerful thing? Can you see that? Participant: The reason why I mentioned dishonesty is that I think any time we’re dishonest about anything it opens the door for a weakening position, and evil moves in. And it seems like every time honesty is presented, evil runs and hides. Okay, so truth is sort of an antidote…Participant: Truth, yeah there you go.We would call it that. And so we’ll talk about that in this discussion actually in terms of a lesson of love. So can we see that the average way we handle evil does not work? And what I’m going to propose is that there’s only thing that works. It’s that weak thing that we just described. Let’s look at love again. It’s that thing, that’s the only thing that works.
The psychology of evil Now to understand how it works we need to understand the psychology of evil, we need to understand how evil thinks. That makes sense, does it not? If we understand how evil thinks, then we can find the appropriate antidote to it and apply that to it and see through experience, through testing it, through experimentation, whether it works or not.
So let’s look at how evil thinks or you could call it, the psychology of evil, if you wanted to use longer words. So what is the psychology of evil? What causes a person to become evil? Defining what evil really is Let’s even define evil for a moment, shall we? Shall we attempt to define it in terms of what is it really? What is evil really? Participant: I was feeling that evil is a bully actually. Okay it’s a bully, yeah. Participant: Which means to me that, it kind of puts up a front, it puts up a mean front but it’s not actually going to do…It does often do what it threatens to do, doesn’t it, evil? In fact that’s the whole problem. It’s not just a threat it’s an actual action. But let’s look at the wordbully, what are we saying about evil in that regard? ]Participant: It terrorises you. So the purpose is to what? Terrorise. Participant: And overpower. Participant: Compelled to feed on fear.To compel, yes, very good.Participant: To dominate.Dominate. Participant: Control. Control. Participant: To have its way.Yep, so it’s demanding, isn’t it? It demands. It wants. Participant: To qualm its own fears.Yeah but that’s the underlying motivation of it, shall we say. So I will talk about the underlying motivation in a minute. Participant: Destroy. Destroy, yes, very important. And does it care whether it destroys the person who’s evil or the other person? It’s not often very selective, is it? Often you’re destroying yourself while you’re evil as well, and it doesn’t seem to matter; anything else that you can think of? Participant: Self-fulfilment, for self-fulfilment. In other words it just doesn’t care what it does to others as long as it gets what it wants. So let’s call it selfish. Participant: To hide the truthSo its object is to hide truth, yep.Participant: What about instant gratification? Very good, yep. Instant gratification. That’s what it expects, isn’t it? It expects you to meet its demands immediately.
Without question, without any form of pondering about it or thinking about it or thinking about whether you want to or not, none of that. So it’s totally the opposite of free will in a way, isn’t it? We’re not going to have free will in the face of evil most of the times. That’s how evil thinks; it wants to create no free will. It wants to have no free will except for itself, except for itself. Anything else? [00:31:14.11]Participant: What about somebody who’s confused between evil and love, for instance they do an evil act towards another person, they say, “I did it because I loved them”. So would evil be confusing a person or something? Can you say it self justifies? Participant: Okay.Participant: Manipulates. And manipulates, yes. By the way, how many of you, just as a personal question, and I know these are personal questions that are sometimes a bit confronting, but how many of you have thought about when somebody crossed you in love, you know when you’re in a relationship with somebody. Participant: I did. Like, cheating? You’re already putting your hand up! You’re in a relationship and somebody you feel harmed you in love, how many of you have thought about trying to get them back? Not get them back into your life, but get them back and make them feel the same pain you felt? How many of you would have loved to see that happen? So can you see how many of us do have the underlying emotion that creates the evil tendency sitting within us? And so there is a belief on the earth that man is inherently evil, isn’t there? There’s this underlying belief.
So that’s the underlying feeling of evil. Evil is trying, basically, to control. It’s trying to gain a control and ascendency isn’t it? It wants what it wants. That’s how evil thinks. How evil acts So what does it do when it thinks these things? If that’s how evil thinks, what does evil eventually do? Participant: Looks for someone who is susceptible, someone they can manipulate. It looks for someone it can influence.
Yes. I agree totally. Good. Participant: It gets people afraid and then sucks energy off of it.So if feeds on the fear of others? Participant: Exactly, yeah.Yep, I agree. Totally, anything else that you can think of? Participant: It controls the information that gets out to perpetuate that fear thing. It does, certainly. Yep. Participant: I was just going to say it can create shame because if you were to think about some of the stuff they’re asking… I’ve thought about stuff like that before. I didn’t necessarily act it out every time but I have had an initial thought like that and that can create a shame in yourself that you would be able to think something like that.Yes. So if you have shame in yourself that’s unresolved, can you see how easy it is to manipulate your shame as well? If I decided to manipulate your shame, if I knew what your shame was, then that would be an evil act, wouldn’t it basically? It would be an act of harm. But that’s what evil often does. Evil often manipulates the shame of others. Yes. Participant: It’s motivated by greed.In what way… greed …in what way, Lawrence?
Participant: It just wants it all.Okay, wants everything, not just money, but everything. Participant: Power. Money.
Power, control, everything. Yep. Evil takes pleasure in the pain of others Participant: It takes pleasure in everyone else’s pain.It does. This is a very important part that I want to write down. It takes pleasure in other’s pain. We want to come back to that because we want to see why we would do that. Why would we have a longing to take pleasure in other’s pain? Participant: Aren’t they just hurt to begin with? The person who’s evil? Participant: The person who’s allowed things to reside in their heart. I agree but a lot of the times when we’re faced with evil in our day-to-day life, we don’t think, “Oh that person’s just sad.” Or we don’t think, “Ohthat person’s just got a lot of fears of their own.” Most of the time we’re in a totally different place when we’re faced with it in our personal life. Intellectually we can go, “Oh well they must have some sadness or they must have some fear of their own in order for them to take such an action.
” But then when someone comes along and murders your child, in that situation you’re not thinking, “Oh he must have had some sadness in him.” You’re not thinking that anymore, are you, in that moment? And this is what we’ve got to do with evil. We’ve got to see that the emotions we feel take over the intellect. And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. What we need to do is address the emotions that take over the intellect that cause us to act in our response to evil, whether we fight it or whatever we do to it. It’s our emotions that take over the intellect in the process.
And so unless we face the emotions inside of us that cause us to take over our intellect, when we get put in the situation no amount of intellectual reasoning before that point will help us. We need to see that we need to address something emotionally to cure this issue. Participant: Do you suppose, AJ, that deep down it’s the evil trying to achieve security, for itself through controlling others? I agree. Most evil has as its cause a deep sense of fear of its own. But unfortunately the person who perpetrates evil is not thinking that at the time they’re perpetrating evil. They’re already in the, what I would call, higher level emotion, not in the base emotion that creates it. So we’ll look at its structure in a minute in terms of the different emotions that create evil.
Because we need to come to understand it to understand how love combats it. Do you understand? We need to understand evil to be able to then understand how love can overcome it. How love has power over it. Any other comment you’d like to make about evil itself? How it thinks and what it does? Participant: It tries to separate us from love.It always tries to separate us from love. In fact what it does most of the time is tells us that love has no power. Love has no power. Spirits in the hells of the spirit world believe that evil is the most powerful force It’s interesting when we speak with spirits in the hells of the spirit world because every single spirit who comes to speak generally believes that love has no power. They only believe in evil. They only believe that evil is the thing with power. In fact many of them are doing this, if I can describe it to you as a picture.
Imagine this is the spirit who’s in the hells. So today we had some women spirits who are in the hells come to speak with us and those women spirits had been harmed when they were on earth, they’d been sexually abused and raped on earth. They’d had sexual violenceperpetrated towards them. They’d died during this sexual violence. And then they passed into the spirit world. And they wanted to talk to us about evil, about why shouldn’t they be continually afraid of evil? Interestingly enough those spirits have even darker spirits surrounding them, who are men spirits who are the same kind of spirits as the people on earth who actually caused their own death. Even in a darker location. And these spirits are even motivated by some even darker spirits. Successively darker spirits in the hells of the spirit world
So instead of them feeling that love rules the spirit world, which it does, and we’ll describe how maybe later, they believe that evil rules the spirit world and the more evil you are, the more power you have. That’s their belief. And the very darkest of these spirits are the people who control the financial and political systems of this earth. The very darkest of these spirits and they use forms of threats and blackmail and so forth of potential events to get these people to do the harm to these people. Do you understand? These people here even (AJ points to the middle spirits); the ones who are harming these (AJ points to the women spirits at the top) are totally frequently guided by even darker people who are more threatening to them. They are more frightened of them than they are of anything else. So fear is a
huge factor in evil, even after a person has passed. Participant: It’s kind of disheartening to think that not only are we fighting this on earth in the physical but now you’re saying we’ve got all of this other energy around us and that’s sort of disheartening. Disheartening is a good word. There’s another word that we often feel when I start a discussion like this, and that is hopeless. These are often feelings that come up in a discussion. Now I’m not saying all of these things to totally dishearten you and make you feel completely hopeless. However these are often emotions we feel when we face the truth of evil on the planet, and the truth of evil in the spirit world. In the first dimension of the spirit world… there’s other dimensions in the spirit world, lots of them, but the first dimension of the spirit world is almost totally populated by people who believe in evil. When I say ‘believe in evil’, their primary belief system is that evil is the most powerful force. Now there are some of them who are petrified of that, and there are some of them who love that. But collectively they believe that evil and terror are the most powerful forces. So when we come to talk with the spirits, they feel the same thing you feel; disheartened and hopeless. They just feel like there’s no other way than to pander to it. We have to pander to it, we have to bide it. We have to do something, one of those things, that we mentioned earlier to stop ourselves from feeling those feelings actually. So what do we do?Participant: These evil people or spirits… if they’re trying to gain security by controlling others, perhaps really all they need is real love in their lives.
I agree. Participant: And that’s the answer for them.Redefining love It is the answer but we now have to define real love because remember when we wrote love on the board up there before.That’s our opinion of love and that didn’t seem very powerful to me. That’s the issue. So the issue we face is that real love, potentially has the way to solve this problem theoretically. We need to find out how. To be practical about the discussion, we need to come up with practical circumstances and situations that demonstrate how real love can solve
the problem. But we need to know what real love is. It’s no good thinking that real love is insipid, weak and all those kind of things because real love isn’t any of those things. But it’s what we believe real love is. And unfortunately because we believe real love is like that we then feel that it has no power.
Evil vs. goodSo the problem we face is that when we talk about this evil vs. good discussion, and I find it very fascinating because… Hollywood is awesome! Honestly. The reason why is it’s a reflection of what we as a society believe about these things. And what do you see in most Hollywood movies? Good always prevails. Sorry? But let’s define good