Do you think your faith in what the person is saying to you is going to be very big? Of course not. Initially for faith
to be established we’ve got to have some trust that what is being said to us, or trust that it is actually true, but then time and some kind of effort in a certain direction will either prove it to be true or not. It’s only when it’s proven that faith
really begins to grow. You can’t really have faith in the end without something being proven to you.
The only way that can happen on this path is for it to be proven to you through your personal experience. It doesn’t matter how much information I talk about with you; until you’ve had a personal experience of it you’ll not be able to have faith
that it’s true. But you might have some logical faith at least, some intellectual faith in the sense that you might at least tryto see if it’s true. That’s where we need to start with the quality of faith, I feel.
Holding onto faith when it is challenged by doubt
Participant: I’ve had times in my life where I’ve felt my faith has grown and then I feel from outside influences that it’s been tested incredibly. And then I feel like I question the experience that I had that caused my faith to grow in the first place, so then I find myself giving up on that, going “okay, that wasn’t real.” Yes.
This bring us to our next thing though. There’s a mixture of things going on here. One is that faith is built from some kind of personal experience and then you have another personal experience that knocks your faith around a bit. It’s as if it
is chipping away at this shield that you have and under those circumstances we don’t generally hold onto logic. We become very illogical. Participant: Yeah, it’s easy to hold onto doubt. Yes. In fact doubt is an emotion that we create because we’re afraid. Can I just say that to you again? – Because I feel that many of you don’t realise that. Doubt is an emotion we personally create because we are afraid of something.
Mary: Can we not even call it an emotion? Because you can’t even process it.
Sorry, it’s not even an emotion.
Mary: It’s a state.
Participant: Then am I afraid that what I have faith in is not real?
Yes, so feel the fear of that. Or, you have not used your logic. We often have an experience and then we have another experience that confirms the first experience and then another that confirms the second experience and we have four or
five experiences in a row that all confirm the truth about something that we seem to be growing in knowledge of. Then all of a sudden something goes wrong in our life.
At that point most of us throw away all of those experiences in our mind because they are all past experiences.
We throw them all away and we only focus on our current experience. The problem with doing that is firstly it’s not very logical. We’ve had all these past experiences, which have all established something at least, and by throwing them away we are
actually throwing away a lot of our life and experience in this process of what we’ve learnt. It’s not a very logical thing to do. But also when we are having this negative experience, let’s call it, this one that’s got a bit of pain in it, and we’ve got that
going on because we are so focused emotionally on this experience, we have a tendency to forget about any logic.
This is a very damaging thing to do, and this is why I gave that talk in Melbourne called “The Human Soul – Logic, Emotions
and Truth” because we need to have a mixture of logic and emotions to discover truth. We can’t just focus on our emotions because sometimes our emotions are going to be very negative and also some of them we actually purposefully
create in order to avoid other things. For example, rage is an emotion we generally create purposefully to avoid something else: fear. If we trust our rage we’re not always going to be in harmony with truth. We need to have some logic going on
in the background that checks us and that also reminds us of the previous experiences.