We’re saying that if the violence is unrighteous, or in other words doesn’t have right on its side, then it’s evil. But I would like to say all violence is evil. In other words, there is no such thing as unrighteous or righteous violence. It is all unrighteous violence.
Now many of us inside of ourselves emotionally have yet to come to that conclusion. Many of us, at our deepest darkest moments, many of us do feel there is a justification for resorting to violence. Now can I give you one major way that we view this?
For those of you who’ve had children, if someone comes along and harms your child, how would you feel? How many of you feel at the moment you’d possibly resort to violence? The reality is the majority would possibly resort to violence in that situation. If we had the opportunity to if there was no law against it. If there’s a law against it, now we want the state to resort to violence for us. Isn’t that the same thing? Just somebody else is doing it for us, so therefore we’re asking the state to be, in my definition, evil, just so that I don’t have to feel that I am. That’s the reality.
Participant: This goes back to the Old Testament an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, isn’t it?
Yes it does; some very strong religious flavour to this good vs. evil discussion, The eye for an eye, which by the way is
in both the Christian Bible and the Koran, interestingly. “An eye for an eye” as Ghandi said, it makes the…?
Participant: … whole world blind.
Whole world blind, yes! Because the reason why it does this because if I take out your eye then you won’t be able to see to take out mine. And so what you end up doing is taking out somebody else’s generally, if you resort to that violence.
Using restriction to curb violenceParticipant: So in that case where evil vs. good, if you stop violence, is that violence? Like someone you said is harming your child or something like that, if you stopped them, is that violence? Is that what you’re saying?
When you say stop them, what do you mean by stop them?
Participant: I don’t know. Someone’s going to throw a rock at them and you stop them from throwing a rock.So how would you…?
Participant: So however you stop them is that violence also? Is that what you’re saying? You grab their arm and peel the rock out of their hand, say. That’s just a small example.
Participant: Okay so that’s not violence.
Well it depends how far you take it, doesn’t it?
Participant: I suppose it does but… you know how far do you take it, to say that you’re reacting or the good guy is reacting with violence?
It’s a very good question and we’ll discuss that question. Because the reality is for the majority of us we feel there should be some form of restriction of an evil act, that’s what we feel…
Participant: I mean if you’re saying that any restriction… you’re not saying that restriction is violent then?
It depends how it’s done. So if restriction is dropping an atomic bomb on somebody, then of course that’s very violent. If restriction is to get out an automatic weapon, or a knife or something else, then that’s violent. But restriction can take other forms. So I’m not saying that if we restrict a person that that is an act of violence. I’m saying that how we restrict the person can be an act of violence, depending on what we choose to do. So for example, placing a person in a prison because they have been violent to society is not an act of violence. Placing the person in a prison without giving them
any assistance to change is more of an act of violence towards the person. So it just depends on the degree of what action we take as to what becomes violent or not in terms of our actions.
And we can get to a discussion about defining violence but I’m just using some sort of fairly open concepts at this pointto discuss how we view evil rather than what kind of individual action we can take in individual circumstances at this point.
Participant: When someone’s using their free will disharmonious with love, I think we often feel like it might be okay to violate their free will in order to enforce being harmonious with love. But the truth is that any violation of free will is disharmonious with love so you can’t do that.
No I don’t agree with that.
Participant: You don’t?
No. Not under all circumstances because if you look at a society on earth, if a person exercises their free will in order to harm others, then they’re not respecting the fact that the others’ free will are now being impacted. So the issue becomes an issue of balance. Do you understand what I mean by balance? If I’m harming your will then I should not expect to not have my own will restricted. That would be a just thing, would it not? So I can’t expect to not have my own will restricted if I’m harming your will. And I don’t feel that’s a fair thing to expect. Mind you a lot of people on earth expect it but it’s not a fair thing to expect. If I harm your will, surely a society that has love as its primary goal would then look at restricting my will so that your will cannot be harmed. But it’s how we go about the restriction that is the issue.
An example of curbing violence in countries
And this is also applies to countries. So for example, at the moment, in Africa, in the Sedan for example, there are literally millions of displaced people who are displaced because of the violence surrounding them and they’ve removed themselves from that violence, they’ve fled from that violence, and they are now in camps on the borders of Sedan, or in other counties like Chad and so forth around Sedan. Now at face value, it appears that the way to resolve this problem would be to somehow restrict the people who are being violent towards those people. But there are a number of other highly effective alternatives that we are as a society unwilling to take that actually would be more loving to both parties. So, for example, one thing would be, don’t supply guns to the people who are being violent. That would be a restriction that if the US government chose to take…
the US government is the largest arms manufacturer on earth. If it chose to take that one restriction, then it would automatically severely restrict or curtail their activity.
The second thing is if every government on the planet who is in a peaceful state chose to airlift all of those victims of the violence to their country with no restriction, then there’d be nobody for those particular people to harm, would there not? They’d either have to harm themselves or search for something else to do. But they’ve got no guns now to do it with and they’ve got no people to harm either. But why don’t we accept them? Why don’t we, in other countries who
are well off and affluent, accept the people who are being harmed? Because we have our own fears of a lack of abundance and so forth that cause us to take the action that we feel we can’t actually airlift them out.
On the planet we have the resources to airlift millions of people if we want to, within a few weeks, if we really were concerned about resolving the issue. But the reality is the majority of us are not really concerned about resolving the issue, because we’re worried about how this issue may pan out if we resolve it. We’re not willing to take action because of fear; a lot of it’s our own fear of our own lack of abundance. So what I’m suggesting is, if you look at practical solutions, there are many practical solutions that can restrict the people who are being violent that doesn’t mean killing
them. And it doesn’t mean physically harming them. But there are many practical solutions that we can take that would severely curtail their activity. But the problem on the planet is we have a lot of governments, which are our own creation, we’re the people that create the governments that actually do not wish to curtail their activity, because they have their own agendas in place!
And some of their own agendas are, “We want to sell arms”. One third of your economy is about arms manufacture.
If the American government decided today to never make another gun, tank, bomb, etc, a third of your economy would just fall, the bottom of your economy would just fall out of itself. Are you prepared for that? You see the majority aren’t. And the government knows that. You see?
Now if you look at the five biggest arms gun runners on the planet, they are all governments. Every one of them is a government: United States government, the Russian government are the two biggest. Chinese government, the French government and the German government, they’re all governments. They are all governments providing the arms to the people who are perpetrating violence. And so there’s a huge national and worldwide movement on the part of Western nations in particular to perpetrate violence in order to sell these arms. They love the threat of fear because then we can
sell more guns. We can sell more arms. And these are areas that we need to look at, emotionally look at, as a society if we wish to change this issue. Can you see there are quite severe issues with it?
Participant: I’ve another solution that might work. Of course, it’s not going to happen anyway and neither is yours but they’re great solutions. First of all we stop selling bullets, that’s a good start.
That’s a great start.
Participant: Then try and figure out, “What are they fighting about?”
Participant: And then you would find that they’re being manipulated by somebody and then they could say, “Oh that’s
it!” and quit fighting.
Yep. So truth has a lot to do with it.
Participant: They’re being lied to from somebody.
Exactly! Exactly!Participant: Otherwise why would they be killing their own people?
And also there’s a personalisation of global issues. Your government did this with you in 9/11, they personalised the
issue to be a part of each one of you emotionally. Yes? And our government did the same. We went ahead with Iraq in
Australia, exactly the same as you guys did, and the government personalised the issue. They tried to make it into an
issue of your own personal safety and security. Now don’t you think there are clever people on the opposite side of the
world doing exactly the same thing? Against your government? Of course! And this is what we need to actually deal
Love is the cure to evil
So let’s get back to this issue of love combating evil. So I’m not talking about the world’s definition of good because the world’s definition of good is if you’re evil but righteous, that’s good. That’s the world’s definition of good. I’m talking about firstly that all violence is evil, and secondly I’m talking about love being the cure. But we need to see how love is the cure. If we don’t see how love is the cure, then it’s impossible for us to actually embrace it as a feeling in us that we want to actually address.
You remember all the things we wrote down about love, right at the beginning? The net result of all of those things is we viewed love as weak. Did we not? We viewed love as hurts, pain, weak, all these other things, that’s what we viewed love as.
Now that kind of a love is not going to be the cure for anything. It’s not going to be the cure for own unhappiness, let alone the unhappiness of the world. We need to actually see what kind of a love is going to be required to cure these problems.
So all of you intelligent people, well educated, so what kind of love is going to solve the problem? Now don’t go
banding terms around with me, without defining it. What do you mean by unconditional love? What do you mean by
that? Well can we look at it from a… let me put a scenario to you.
An example of an unloving response to a family being physically threatened and killed
A person comes to you and to your family, they barge into your home, they put all of your children at gunpoint, right? And they threaten you to do something. Maybe you’re a bank manager, and they threaten you to open the bank, right?
Now initially you might refuse, right? Initially you might refuse. So what do they do?
Participant: Shoot one of your kids. Well they might just threaten to shoot one of your kids. They might just threaten to shoot one of your kids. Now the threat causes what emotions in you, fear, and anger? Desire for revenge perhaps, right? But bearing in mind the guy’s got the gun and he seems serious, he’s threatening to shoot the child, what would you probably do in the moment?
You’d probably submit, yes? You’d probably submit to his demand. So you give him the codes to the bank vault, he opens the bank and then he shoots all of the family anyway. That’s what evil would do, isn’t it? Evil would probably do that. And because evil doesn’t have any conscience or it doesn’t have any integrity either. It doesn’t have any integrity of, “I’ll agree to do something and then I will stick to my word,” it doesn’t say that. So evil would go ahead anyway.
Now, let’s say though that they decided to kill that child anyway. How would you feel? Would you feel unconditional love? That’s the question I’m asking. Now can you see the majority of us would not, right? We’d feel a desire for revenge, a desire maybe to even attack the person involved if we could, we’d try to find a way to harm the person in the way they’ve harmed us. And there have even been cases where a person’s tried to find their own children and harm their children once because their own child was harmed. In other words, what we finish up trying to do is create the same pain as has been created in ourselves. Now why would we choose to do such a thing? Why would we choose to create the same pain in another person as what has been already created in us?
Participant: As sort of a commiseration, like, so you know how I feel. So yeah, the underlying thing is, you know how I feel now. Alright, that’s the underlying emotion but why would we choose to do that? There’s an underlying driving force that causes us to choose to create the same pain in another that’s already within ourselves.
Participant: I have no idea.
We need to find it, don’t we?
Participant: So we don’t have to feel our own pain?
So can you see the underlying choice we’ve made, is to not feel our own pain but to make somebody else feel it; to putthe pain on somebody else, to force another to feel the pain. And we want them to feel the same type of pain most ofthe time, don’t we? I don’t know if you remember the speech that President Bush gave after 9/11? Can you remember he actually included words very similar to that? That we are going to force the other person, the people whoperpetrated this, they are going to regret their choices, basically. We’re going to perpetrate the same kind of rage. Now,is that unconditional love?
Okay. But that is what most of us feel. Most of us feel that we’d like to do that if we’re honest with ourselves, you see.So can you see that for love to be unconditional there has to be some kind of change within our own heart that wouldcause us to not resort to these actions. Can you see that?
Love of self, love of others and love of truth need to be embraced to overcome evil
So, what we’re going to do tomorrow is discuss some things about real love and some basic principles about real love that can overcome all evil. We’re going to break them, if we get the time; we’re going to break them firstly into love of self, areas of love of self that we need to embrace if we’re going to prevent evil. [01:15:31.20]There are also some issues that we need to raise regarding love of others that we need to embrace if we’re going to prevent evil. And we are also going to need to have a love of truth in order to prevent evil. Now you notice that we don’t necessarily need a love of God to prevent evil. In the 6th dimension of the spirit world there are many spirits who
don’t believe in God at all. And yet the 6th dimension is a place where there is no evil.
Receiving God’s love automatically increases love of self, love of others and love of truth
So you don’t necessarily need God’s love to prevent evil. However, if you have love of God enter your heart, you actually automatically grow in that area: in love of others, in love of self, and in love of truth.
So if God’s love enters your heart, you can automatically change in how much love you have of yourself, how much love you have of others, and how much love you have of truth. And so therefore receiving the love of God can actually do a great deal to change this concept of evil on the planet and turn it around, you know, to actually learn how to love.
So what I would like for you guys to do, if you feel up to it tonight, is to have a bit of think about what love of self really means and how the proper love of self would combat evil. What love of others really means, and how the love of others would combat evil. And what love of truth really means, and how that would combat evil.
And we can come up with some ideas that you’ve come up with, with regard to what the love of self and love of others and love of truth really mean to us. And what we would like to do is to put it to the test in some example situations. To see what would happen if we were confronted with evil and we decided to follow some of the advice you want to give tomorrow. And if we can do that, I reckon we’ll finish up understanding a lot more at the soul level, the power of love
Co-relations between acts of violence
Participant: I’ve a question regarding evil and violence. If I eat meat is it already some kind of violence? Because we
are the reason why animals get slaughtered and raised in a way, which is very unloving.
Is that violence?
Participant: Yeah. A part of violence?
Certainly, we’ll talk about that. So is eating meat… what’s that book, babe, by that guy?
Mary: It’s called “Eating Animals” by Jonathan Saffron Froer.
Yeah. It’s a really good book actually. There’s lots of statistics in it about the relationship to killing animals and killing humans. There are a lot of relationships you will find. So he has all of this statistical analysis, literally thirty years of research that he’s done and heaps of research in China and other places as well about their health. It’s a very fascinating
read anyway. But I agree, Rita, that there are certainly issues of these three areas of love with regard to even eating meat. And certainly if a society eats meat easily, there is certainly a larger tendency to violence in the society, which is an interesting co-relation. Statistically it’s actually proven that there is a larger incidence of violence in the societies that eat meat.
Participant: Isn’t there a correlation between circumcision and violence in society as well?
Yes of course there is. There are quite a lot of co-relations to violence perpetrated towards males in their childhood and how violence comes out as adults. Certainly! There is also a larger incidence of violence of men that have been brought up by mothers. Men that have been brought up with only mothers in the household and no father in the household have a larger incidence of violence! 94% I think it is, in the States. 94% of men in prison for violent crimes have been
brought up by mothers. Interesting!
One source of evil – self reliance
Participant: Just back for a minute to evil, well it’s kind of a two piece thing I wanted to say. One is, so the whole new age movement talks about, like, they sort of minimise that evil is even real. Which is so huge. So there’s a slight relief about like, okay, this is real. And then part 2 is, is the reason that we have evil, does that come from self reliance? The underlying core belief, yes, is all to do with self reliance but we need to see the structure of self reliance, which is one thing I’d hope to achieve tomorrow with you, is to help you understand the structure of self reliance and how it infects every aspect of our belief systems. And there is also a lot of information that, if you think about it tonight a bit as well, if you think about how evil itself is created through the actions of others who are not either loving themselves, loving others or loving the truth at the time. So if you can have a think about that as well.
Participant: So we’ve all created evil?
Man has created evil. Mankind has created evil. Yes. God created the potential of its existence by creating free will. If we didn’t have free will, we would all be robots. So God had a choice to create robots or create free will sentient thinking beings. But the problem with creating free will is that there is the potential for the person to use their free will in a violent manner.
Participant: And all these spirits sitting in the hells that want to keep perpetuating evil… so we need to know that they’re there but their purpose is… because they don’t want to deal with their emotions, so they keep wanting to infect humankind. Well what we’ll like to do tomorrow is analyse their purpose.
Discovering how a true definition of love that will overcome evil
Rather than sort of jumping to a conclusion, what we’d like to do, is through your own investigation, we want to look at these areas of love and go, “Okay, in these areas of love, how is it that it results in evil?” If a person doesn’t feel a certain thing or the things that you come up with in terms of what is love of self and what is love of others and what is love of truth, and then what we need to do is find a co-relation between those loves and how they would actually physically combat evil if we actually lived those loves. So remember when we started this discussion today, that when I wrote down love on the board and I asked you for the world’s idea of what love is and what are the different emotions
we feel about love, almost all of the emotions that came up were all about weakness and insipidness and all of these other types of feelings. So the reality is the majority of us have this idea still that love isn’t very powerful. We have this idea that love is weak, easy to manipulate, easy to control. We see love as a problem, really, do we not?
So the issue we face then is if we believe love is a problem then we don’t have a very good definition of love. So what
I’m asking you to do tonight is to look at your own definition of what love of self means. See some people would say
love of self means getting whatever I want whenever I want it. Now I would say that’s not what love of self means. But
we need to look at and examine our own definitions of love. The reason why we need to do that is we often justify
actions that are violent based on love. So I would say we often justify evil based on love and obviously it’s not love
then, if it’s justifying evil. So we need to have a good examination of ourselves in this process.
So what I would like to do tomorrow, and we might get a chance… we’ll definitely get the chance to look at those, the
love of self, and hopefully we’ll get a chance to look at love of others. I would like to look at it all but there are so many things to discuss in that area where the principles, the true principles of love, have the ability to cure all evil on the planet actually. But we need to understand what real love is.
Participant: So the problem with evil is really a problem with how to love?
I feel so, yes. The two are co-related because do you remember at the beginning we saw that most of us believe love has no power and most of us believe that evil is the only thing with power. And because of this basic underlying belief that we have, when we consider love combating evil we go, “How is that going to be the case?” We don’t believe it can be and that’s part of our issue. So part of our problem is what we define love to be, right? And that’s part of our problem and that’s the reason why we’ve never seen evil combated on the planet. So over the hundreds of thousands of years now that man has been on the planet, what we see is this belief that evil rules.
Now many of us would hope that that’s not true and we hope that this is true: love rules.
That’s what we hope. But if you look at the reality on the planet, it’s really the other truth, isn’t it? At the moment. And so what we’ve got to do is find out what kind of love is it going to be before love actually rules. We need to really analyse ourselves to see what kind of love is going to be necessarily within me before I have the power to change evil on the planet? That’s the question we all need to ask ourselves. What are the qualities and characteristics of this love
that we’re going to need in order for evil to be changed? In order for evil to not be honoured any more as the ruler.
Participant: I found out in these four years that when I do the right thing not only it’s not recognised but I get morere buke for it or more hatred for it, a lot of projections for it. And it feels really hard to do the right thing or the lovingthing or the truthful thing. It feels so hard to tell the truth, so hard to be loving.
Well I would put to you that if it’s real love that won’t be the case. If its love that is tainted with addiction, then whenever we act upon the love tainted with addiction, we get a response and if the response isn’t what we want thenwe’ll feel hurt. So this is where we’ve got to think about those things. Like what is real love of self? What is involved in the real love of self? What is real love of others? So does real love of others feel hurt when another person doesn’t accept it? No. But often our love feels like that, doesn’t it? When we love somebody and we can feel them rejecting our
love, what do we feel? Often we feel hurt. So that tells me it’s not real love. And what does the real love of truth, what is that going to demand of us, if we really love truth? In every single
circumstance, in every single situation without any limitations, what will that do to us? That’s what we’ve got to consider.
Participant: I found it interesting that when you had up the things about good vs. evil and righteous violence versus unrighteous, you weren’t just describing Hollywood you were describing Christianity.
Participant: Which basically says that if you have a lesser sin like working on a Sunday or not being a virgin on your wedding day that the cure is actually the greatest sin of murder. And not just murder but being stoned to death. So evenour most loving example, which is supposed to be Christianity, believes at its core that you can overcome maybe lesser evil with stronger more powerful evil.
Spot on. And almost every religious faith on this planet believes the same thing. So we obviously have to change our concept of love. We have to get that concept that we began with today of love and we’ve got to grow from that concept. We’ve got to start seeing what real love would do, not the love that we’ve all experienced in our lives would do. See the love we’ve all experienced in our lives has very many limitations and it’s not the love we’re talking about that’s able to
look after and eventually eradicate evil. We’re going to need a different type of love. So what we need to do is discover what type of love it is we’re going to need.
How this type of love, this new type of love, has more power than any other force. It needs to somehow have so much power that even within ourselves… remember I said in this discussion, when we have evil perpetrated against us, we often resort to one of those three or four things that we mentioned, fight or flee or freeze or, as Mary mentioned, pandering. The real love has to be greater than those things as well. Doesn’t it? For it to be effective! So how are wegoing to get it? It needs to be something that changes in here too (AJ points to his heart), it can’t be an intellectual
response because the problem with an intellectual response is that you put us in a stressful situation and all the intellect that we had up until then goes out the window.
In a stressful situation what is really in your soul is going to be the driving force. So the real love that we need needs tobe something that transforms us in our heart so much that it drives our very action even under stress. So even if we’restressed out, it will still drive the same action. So that’s the kind of love that I’d like to think about. What kind of love,
are we going to need that is so strong that evil will not prevail against it? Would you be able to do that
That would be great. I’d like to thank you guys today for your time in particular.
Questions from an audience member about background information
Participant: Can I just ask a question?
Sure. Is it on the subject or a different…?
Participant: No I think it is. I got word of this yesterday, this is my first time to ever visit and I think it’s such a neat message about love. I got derailed by a couple of things you said that I was confused about. The first one was spiritfriends and you said something about a 6th dimension and I’m confused.
Okay. My suggestion for anybody who’s confused about some of the terms I’ve just used is to watch a video that’s on YouTube that I’ve done. It’s called “The Secrets of the Universe”. If you look on YouTube, there’s a thing called
“Divine Truth Channel”. A friend of mine has put it on there. “Divine Truth Channel.” And on there there’ll be a list of different talks and discussions and one of them will be the “Secrets of the Universe”. There’s four parts to it. All
together it’s 9 hours unfortunately.
Participant: Okay! We’ll make some popcorn. So there’s part one and part two to it.
Mary: I think you covered it in part one.
And then there’s a Q&A where people ask questions, so I’d go with the part one first and then part two. Now in part one and part two I outlined the basic structure of the universe and what happens when you die and a number of other things in that process. And it describes a lot of the basic principles of what I’m describing. And then you can use that as a basis to understand a lot of other things. So my suggestion for anybody who has found it a bit of a struggle with some
of the things I’ve mentioned today to look at that talk. Yeah.
Participant: Okay. And it goes into the spirits? The friends?
It goes into the spirits. There are both – friends and…
Participant: Okay and my other question relates to what actually what got me here, which I thought was very intriguing. I didn’t know if you were going to talk about you or any of that. I wanted to know, because you mentioned talking in the first century, and so that was a part of your website that got me too, and that’s why I’m here. So I was curious about that.
Okay. Yeah just that I’m Jesus, you mean?
Yep. I don’t talk about it that much. In comparison to all the talks that I’ve given, that’s not something that’s…, there are talks that I’ve given that are on the YouTube site that are about being Jesus. And there are also some interviews that are
present that you could probably listen to. The Geoff Whitehead interview, it’s on YouTube as well. He’s a school teacher in Australia who interviewed myself and Mary and in that interview he just asked me some basic questions. It’s the first session, session 1. He just asked me some basic questions about my identity and all of those kinds of things that would probably pay to watch as well. From my perspective, it’s not an important issue. It’s obviously an important issue for me, because I know who I am, but I don’t feel it’s an important issue for other people.
Participant: It’s huge for me, if that were the truth. Growing up knowing and accepting Christ as my personal lord and saviour, that would be huge. So because you knew about Christianity and of course what we learn about here, how it is, and then obviously how this goes off with the Bible, which I was taught was the truth. That’s why I was so intrigued; I just wanted to know what that… I mean that’s why I’m here.
Yep, no worries. Well if you listen to that interview, because many of the other people have already done that so that’s why I’ve suggested that. So if you listen to that interview, you’ll get a background of what I’m saying about my identity
and if you listen to that presentation (AJ points to “Secrets of the Universe” on the whiteboard) you’ll get a background of the basic teachings that I’m teaching in terms of a very quick overview of all the teachings. And then on YouTube I think there’s about 500 hours or so of other talks but I’m not suggesting you see them all. But that will give you an idea
(AJ points to “Secrets of the Universe” on the whiteboard) and this will give you an idea of what I’m saying (AJ points to the interview on the whiteboard) rather than addressing it now. [01:38:03.08]
Is that alright?
Participant: Yeah, I appreciate it.
Not a problem. Michael?
Participant: That Secrets is in 2010 right?
Yeah it was 2010 in September. I think the date of it is 26th and 27th. There were 200 people in the audience who listened to the presentation and on the next day many of them came along and asked lots of questions about it. So the
Q&A is their questions.
Participant: And that was in Australia?
That was in Australia.
Participant: So I was in the wrong country. Got it, Okay!
I’ve given the same talk in the States many times actually. I was in Florida in 2008 and I gave a talk to quite a lot of people. In fact we did a series of talks in Florida.
Participant: Had you thought about coming back and doing it again?
Myself and Mary just respond to the desires of people in an area. So we don’t market anything. We go by donations because that’s the only way we can travel. And so we’ve got no way of gauging an interest in a location until somebody actually tells us that they’re interested. And then we come based on the desires of people. That’s where we go everywhere in the world, basically. So in this trip here we’ve been to Athens, to London and to Sweden, Gothenburg. And they’re all from people who have just asked us to come basically. So we can come back to places, it just depends
on how much people want us to, basically. And our personal circumstances of course. [01:40:16.06]
Yeah we do that all the time in Australia too. So we go around places in Australia as well.
Thank you. Okay. Thank you for your time, guys. (Applause) Mary just wants to mention some things.
Mary: Just that there’s a cameraman and a journalist here from Channel 9 in Australia and they’ve asked if any of you
would be interested in speaking to them? I said that was completely up to you. I gave them permission to film AJ as I
knew he wouldn’t care but they told me that they wouldn’t be filming you without your permission. Just so you know,
Yep. And is there anything else? That’s it? No worries.
Mary: It was good to meet you guys.
Yep. (Applause)Love has Power Over Evil: Part 2
Now what you saw yesterday was evil in action, but many of you did not recognise it, interestingly enough. I will explain. Remember some of things that we all agreed, that was a part of evil, was control, manipulation and deceit and those kinds of emotions. You saw it in action yesterday with the media crew. There was a lady down here, sitting down the front, who was a plant.
She was chosen to be like an actress and the guy next to her was actually a cameraman. And they were just waiting until the guy who had flown down from Los Angeles had arrived and brought a camera with him, so that they could film Jesus saying he’s Jesus. That was the only point of the whole thing. And there was a very large degree of facade in this entire process. Now she of course desired to have everybody feel that she was actually sincere but she was not sincere at all. She was just an actress acting.
Participant: She was pretty good.
She was pretty good. How many of you fell for it? The crew came primarily because they have been sent by some people in Australia to come to actually do another attacking piece on us in Australia. And I could see all of that happening but that’s the way it goes, and we have that happening often now with the media generally. We have yet to have in fact any honest interaction from any media person. They fake everything in order to get the shot they want. Then they fill it all in. They fill it all in and cleverly edit the whole thing. It’ll be very interesting when you watch it
because being here you will see what actually happened and then what actually gets presented, which are two very, very different things, Very different things!
Participant: But, AJ, I like the way you encouraged them to go and watch your other presentations. You understood
what was happening?
Yeah I understood what was happening.
Participant: Because maybe some good could come out of it in that they could be referred to what AJ has referred her to, but you’re saying they probably won’t use that.
No. Not at all!
Participant: Too bad.
The only reason for them being here was to create another attacking piece and it was interesting because he wanted me to do an interview afterwards. See the problem with most people in the media is they believe that if you’ve got a smile on your face that it means they always have a chance with you. So when you say no, they just come at another angle.
And then when you say no, they’re very good salesmen. Then you say no again and they come at it with another angle. It took 25 minutes for me to say, “No, you’re not getting an interview because the last time you had an interview you totally lied about us and misrepresented us.” And he said, “But that wasn’t me.” And I said, “Well it’s highly likely it’s going to be you. However the truth is that the issue I have is with the company you work for so my suggestion is to go back to the company you work for, which is Channel 9 in Australia, and say to them this: ‘When you’re willing to undo
the false stuff that you presented last time, and publicly air the fact that you presented all this false material last time, then I am perfectly happy to do an interview with you again.’ You say that to them.” And I even said to them that it’s an opportunity for them to prove that there is some integrity in the media. And he said to me, “Yep, the likelihood of that happening is zero.”
Participant: Is Channel 7 and Channel 9 connected? Is it the same company?
Participant: Or Channel 9 also did it?
Channel 9 did a series of shows over three days in Australia. The reason why they did it over three days is they got the highest rating for the first couple of days with their show and so they did it for three days. And it was all just about misinformation. We don’t want to go into all of the details but it’s a lot of lies.
Participant: It is interesting because the woman who was sitting there, she said she worked with the Dallas Cowboys, and I was going back to my room and she stopped me and asked me if I would just be willing to answer some questions. And I said, “Sure.” And so every question they asked I gave them an honest answer and it wasn’t what they wanted to hear. And they kept trying to get me to say something else.
Participant: Like, “Do you believe he’s Jesus?” And I said, “Well that doesn’t matter.” “But do you personally?” I said, “Well, not the Jesus that everyone has changed and made what they want it to be.” But I know that’ll be edited out. So it’ll be interesting to see if any of it is kept and how they work it.
Yeah. And it’s highly likely that there were some microphones being used while you were being asked questions because there was a camera on me the entire time that I was being asked questions when I said no to an interview. So we’ll see what happens with that too. And what I like about all these interactions is that each step they take, they demonstrate their own deceit. And that’s a very good thing because eventually all of us will start questioning whether what we’re seeing on the media is actually real. Now many of you have seen already in England, yes? Have you heard about the big media furore in England that occurred through Murdoch publishing? Yes? And lots of journalists are
even being indicted for…?
Mary: Can’t remember… some have been put in jail.
Some have been put in jail or they have to go to court. They’ve been put under arrest for illegal tapping and so forth.
This happens very frequently and all they’re doing is demonstrating their own evil intent, their deceit and so forth. And the best way to combat it is with…? Love!
Love! And the guy couldn’t understand yesterday why I wouldn’t want to have an interview, given the power of the media. And he couldn’t understand me saying no to him at all. So he just went on and on and on. I said, “No” again, “No” again and, “No” again and, “No it’s not going to happen.” And he just went on and on and on trying to come up with reasons why I should do it. And the reason why is because they actually do believe that I’m the person who’s deceitful. So they believe that I would definitely take the option if I had it. They believe that I’m trying to get power over people; that’s what they believe. And they can’t understand me at all at the moment, which is really interesting I find because they’ve never met a person like me, to be frank, who does not utilise whatever media is at their disposal to do whatever they desire to do. And so they’re all having a lot of trouble with me in Australia and elsewhere. When we go back to the UK, we’ve got another interview, a journalist over there who wants to interview us as well.
Participant: We saw the opportunity to give you a good rap.
It won’t come across that way and you fell into the trap of evil, actually, to be frank. Yes, you did – you fell into the trap of evil, and this is something I want to discuss with you.